AE: When I met you in July, Mimi and you were back together. Are you still?
JW: Well, it goes off and on because she’s very angry with the show. She’s very resentful, and I personally can’t argue with her and talk about the show anymore.
AE: What happened as far as getting back together?
JW: We just love each other. We are drawn to each other, and now it’s not about codependency; it’s truly that we both dated other people — and some people seriously. We separated twice in four and a half years for short periods of time, and I gotta tell you, we both just felt so, so off. Now you can analyze that for days — you can say codependency, you can say this, that, but whatever it is, it was very real to us, and it drove us into each other’s arms again. We are doing well right now, but it’s still tricky because of so much resentment with the show. And I’m not willing to change anymore. I’m like, “You’re going to have to deal with it; I’m sorry.â€?
AE: Mimi is younger than you and seems a lot more immature.
JW: Yeah, well she is.
AE: The biting reminds me of a 5-year-old.
JW: A child, sure.
AE: Has she slowed down on the biting?
JW: Yes, she has, she definitely has. And the thing is, this has been a growing experience for both of us.
AE: Do you think there have been benefits to your relationship from this stuff being aired?
JW: Well, yes, of course. I see that I pull away when people react to me and make me feel too much pressure. And that’s something I did a lot. … Of course our relationship has more depth and there’s a more complicated dynamic between us. And I’m not a saint, and I am definitely a jealous person too, and I definitely am a possessive person too, and I like a roller coaster ride. I like high emotions and low emotions — I need it.
AE: One really positive thing is that when you weren’t arguing, you were really affectionate with each other.
JW: Well, we have strong chemistry; we are flabbergasted by it. I’ve had so many serious relationships; I have never had this chemistry with anybody else. And I’ve been … very much in love with beautiful women — women that are gorgeous and their bodies are just, you’re like, “Damn!â€? — and very deeply in love with them and living together, but I’ve never in my life had the chemistry that we have, and we both are like, “Geez, what is this?â€? And I think it does reflect even though we were angry with each other.
AE: It’s like fire and ice.
JW: It is. Even when we were in Mexico, we still can’t keep our hands off each other. We cannot not look at each other and want to touch each other all the time.
AE: You said on the show you met Mimi in a painting class.
JW: I was taking an oil painting class. I was still in my last relationship, a monogamous relationship, and I didn’t really even give it much thought. And then we met a couple of years later after my girlfriend and I had broken up, and we met at the Abbey and she was really cute and kind of came on to me — it was adorable, and a woman that has the guts to come to me is pretty ballsy. And it doesn’t happen often. A lot of women are intimidated by me and will not approach me — it’s always been a mystery to me — lesbians at least.
AE: What do you and Mimi do for fun? They never showed that.
JW: Oh my gosh, we do so much for fun. She and I still go out once to twice a week and booze it up — we have a blast. She’s Brazilian, I’ve got American Indian and Irish in me, so we love to go out and drink with friends. We don’t really like clubs, especially bars, because it’s pretty much a meat market and it can be pretty lecherous, but I love to have dinners, and we love to both combine our friends and have big dinners and have drinks and lots of great wine, and then go out dancing still, we do that.
I just took her to Mexico; we had an amazing time, everyday was like we couldn’t believe how much fun we were having and how amazing it was. And she and I do much better when we’re alone. We have endless, endless conversations when we’re alone. And we’re way more comfortable with each other being alone. And we can sit and polish off a bottle of tequila and have 10 times the fun than if we go to a bar, just by ourselves. So that says a lot.
AE: They never mentioned it on Work Out, but I’ve heard that Mimi is a trainer too.
JW: She’s a trainer at another gym. Yeah, I don’t mix business with pleasure anymore.
AE: Did she used to work in the same gym as you?
JW: Yeah, I hired her ages ago, and I’ve done that with other girlfriends and it never ends up well. A girlfriend, a husband, a wife, a boyfriend should never be writing [their] significant other’s paycheck. Never be signing them. … The power structure is askew and it makes for resentment on both sides.